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Snakes vs mammalian predators
#31
Whoops. Oh well, point remains that it had a stumpy tail before this interaction even happened.
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#32
(04-19-2019, 05:07 AM)Bloodborne Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 05:01 AM)Mondas Wrote: No. It was longer, to begin with.
You're not taking into account/forgetting to include the missing section from the rear part of the snake.
Except Anacondas over 5m long dont weigh that much.

Whaaa? Are you actually suggesting they weigh less, the longer they get?
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#33
(04-19-2019, 05:14 AM)Mondas Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 05:07 AM)Bloodborne Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 05:01 AM)Mondas Wrote: No. It was longer, to begin with.
You're not taking into account/forgetting to include the missing section from the rear part of the snake.
Except Anacondas over 5m long dont weigh that much.

Whaaa? Are you actually suggesting they weigh less, the longer they get?
No, im suggesting this animal which was barely over 4m, but was nearly as heavy as the record breaker that was over 17 feet long and very girthy itself, because it had a puma inside of it when it was weighed, hence its not 94kg.
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#34
But you don't know for sure how long it was - originally, so you're only guessing - just as with the weight.
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#35
(04-19-2019, 05:21 AM)Mondas Wrote: But you don't know for sure how long it was - originally, so you're only guessing - just as with the weight.
Its very unlikely it had a full 1-2m of its tail gnawed off, and we do know it weighed 94kg with a 42kg cougar in it, logically it should weigh somewhere around the 50-60kg ballpark.
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#36
This paper mention two anacondas that were weighed:

A five meter one that weighed 54 kilograms and a 4.45 meter long snake that was only 39 kilograms (note that while the second snake was explicity stated to be thin for its length it was also said to be healthy.)

Both of these snakes are about the same length as the one that ate the puma yet they are considerably lighter, almost as if a four meter long anaconda weighing ninety four kilogram would be morbidly obese.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication...dult_human
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#37
(04-19-2019, 06:22 AM)Bloodborne Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 05:21 AM)Mondas Wrote: But you don't know for sure how long it was - originally, so you're only guessing - just as with the weight.
Its very unlikely it had a full 1-2m of its tail gnawed off, and we do know it weighed 94kg with a 42kg cougar in it, logically it should weigh somewhere around the 50-60kg ballpark.

No, we don't "know" that is how the weighing was done, since on the face of it, that isn't really reasonable.

It also seems a bit of a reach, that a 52kg boid can kill & swallow a 42kg cat,(even if doing so caused its own death).
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#38
Quote:No, we don't "know" that is how the weighing was done, since on the face of it, that isn't really reasonable.

If you knew anything about snakes you would know a four meter long snake would be grossly obese if it were 94 kilograms.

3 meter and 90 centimeter anaconda weighs a 135 pounds. And again a five meter anaconda in a paper I linked only weighed 54 kilos.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uhcinncNFo

Quote:It also seems a bit of a reach, that a 52kg boid can kill & swallow a 42kg cat,(even if doing so caused its own death).

Only to people who get hilariously offended when someone suggests just maybe a cat may have lost a fight to another animal.
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#39
^ Don't be silly, have you never heard of 'Sods Law'? ( If its a possibility that 'badshit' can happen, eventually it will)

However, there is also 'Occam's Razor' to be considered, when seemingly unlikely things do go down, do 'reality check'.
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#40
Quote:However, there is also 'Occam's Razor' to be considered, when seemingly unlikely things do go down, do 'reality check'.

Yeah, occam's razor says that the four meter long anaconda that killed the puma shouldn't weigh nearly twice as much as similar length snakes when its stomach is empty.
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#41
But since 'O-R' also applies to the unlikehood of the puma being defeated by the snake, we don't actually "know" do we?
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#42
(04-19-2019, 10:00 AM)Mondas Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 06:22 AM)Bloodborne Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 05:21 AM)Mondas Wrote: But you don't know for sure how long it was - originally, so you're only guessing - just as with the weight.
Its very unlikely it had a full 1-2m of its tail gnawed off, and we do know it weighed 94kg with a 42kg cougar in it, logically it should weigh somewhere around the 50-60kg ballpark.

No, we don't "know" that is how the weighing was done, since on the face of it, that isn't really reasonable.

It also seems a bit of a reach, that a 52kg boid can kill & swallow a 42kg cat,(even if doing so caused its own death).
What are you talking about? We literally have photos of the Anaconda being lowered onto the scale to check its weight with the cougar still inside its belly, the only thing that isnt reasonable is you going against the actual photos of it being weighed and instead assuming this very sickly snake was obese and that they somehow only weighed the anaconda, even though the cougar is still inside it when its weighed.
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#43
^ You assume too much, since its very likely the 'conda was weighed twice, with & without its full gut.

Certainly the puma was weighed separately, & to be 'scientific' - so would the snake be, right?
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#44
(04-19-2019, 11:26 AM)Mondas Wrote: ^ You assume too much, since its very likely the 'conda was weighed twice, with & without its full gut.

Certainly the puma was weighed separately, & to be 'scientific' - so would the snake be, right?
The puma was weighed before this event occured, and besides, without any mention of another weighed besides 94kg, which was attached to a picture of the Anaconda being weighed with the cougar still inside it, we have nothing else to go off of.
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#45
^ & that lack of information, & confusion about weighing, makes the veracity of the article moot, altogether.
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