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Snakes vs mammalian predators
#46
(04-19-2019, 11:39 AM)Mondas Wrote: ^ & that lack of information, & confusion about weighing, makes the veracity of the article moot, altogether.
No, it provides plenty of information and is relatively straight forward on both animals sizes, you will seldom find this much info on a single predation event actually. Your just choosing to ignore the relatively obvious, that being, that they measured the snake with the cougar still inside it, and due to having conformation on the cougars size, we can relatively safetly say the snake is somewhere in the 50kg bracket, which lines up much better with anacondas of that weight that some obese anaconda that is nearly a record breaker.
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#47
^ Hardly...

How would they actually know for sure what the puma weighed, unless they weighed it discretely?
( Since for all they knew, it might've also had ~10kg in its stomach, too!)

What you are suggesting is amateur supposition, & does not accord with reason, or norms of natural science.
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#48
Quote:The study animal referred to in this report was an adult female, captured on 5 July 2015, with a weight of 42 kg.
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#49
^ & how much did the puma weigh on the 24th October?
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Sandcat killing viper

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by Alain Dragesco-Joffé  (1993 – La Vie Sauvage du Sahara).
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#51
We can set up an equation to figure out roughly how heavy the snake was at the same time, without doing simply “94-42” to find its weight, which then would give us a solid idea of how much the female weighed because the snake will be packing enough to equal “94 kg”.

However, I don’t know said equation as of now, so currently I am of no use and merely spitting out how it can be done.
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#52
^ All still fairly pointless, since the Portuguese-to-English translation has seemingly omitted the actually relevant data;
viz: discrete weights of the individual animals, post-mortem.
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#53
Translations omit nothing, as this scientifically published article isn't the fanatic ranting of an online animal fanatic, all you need is a knowledge of the species involved to get a rough estimate of how much either animal would have weighed at their respective body lengths and/ or age. An anaconda of this length, unless captive and obese, will not weigh 94kg, at all. It takes a little bit of common sense, to understand that much; this pitiful and yet sadly predictable attempt at watering down a predation event by a reptile on a mammalian carnivore, surely to be followed by rambling ad hominem, is entirely the only thing pointless here. I don't know if that is funny, or sad..
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#54
Two Cats with a Snake kill.
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Feral Cat and a Mulga Snake
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#55
^ Yeah, that cat in the 2nd shot appears to have perhaps been envenomated, but cats do seem to have certain
resistance, likely from their origins as wildcats in Africa, (plus strong immune systems) whereas dogs succumb moreso.

Addit:
& looking further at the 1st photo, they are kittens, so unless they've been given that snake by their mother,
I'd have to put that one in the 'dubious' file, too.
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#56
another mighty fine contribution, for the "reptile interactions with mammalian carnivores is staged" saga for mondas. Someone, should really be keeping a tally at this point, it is getting rather sad.
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#57
^ Oh look, the Fe-overloaded troll is still at it! What a surprise ( FYI, that's sarcasm).


Here below,  a leopard gets a 2-for-1 deal!

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(07-13-2018, 02:15 PM)Taipan Wrote: Serval feasts on mamba

06 Jul, 2007

A serval cat feeds on a snake she has just killed – an uncommon sight, especially as the snake is a deadly black mamba.

You may ask yourself what a serval is – and with good reason. This uncommon, secretive spotted feline is seldom seen, especially at such close range and during the day, as it’s mostly nocturnal. It is one of the smaller, more elegant cats, with relatively large ears, which it uses to locate its prey.

This particular serval let us get very close. She had just killed a black mamba and was busy feeding.

What makes this sighting very special is that there have rarely been recordings of servals feeding on snakes, and in this case the snake happened to be one of the quickest and deadliest of snake species.

We assume that the serval didn’t receive a fatal bite as her respiration seemed regular and being fairly small, the venom would have worked very quickly.

Serval tend to prefer savannah-type conditions and prey primarily on small rodents and birds.

What initially alerted us to this serval was the incessant mobbing by arrowmarked babblers and tree squirrels. Serval are known to take quite a few different bird species. With their long legs, they are easily capable of plucking them out of the air, up to a height of at least 2m (6’5”).

After some time with this female serval, she stood up and casually walked off, whereupon we moved in for a closer inspection of the mamba. It was a fairly large snake, probably measuring up to 1,5m (4’ 9”) before being eaten.[/size]

http://www.earth-touch.com/result.php?i=Serval-feasts-on-mamba

There's a video at the above website.




Serval v Puff adder

Here's a Serval catching a Puff Adder :





The Puff Adder is Africas most dangerous snake - "Its wide distribution, common occurrence, large size, potent venom, and willingness to bite make it responsible for more fatalities than any other African snake".
"The average size is about 1 m in length and very stout. Large specimens of 190 cm (75 in), weighing over 6.0 kg (13.2 lbs) and with a girth of 40 cm (16 in) have been reported."


Another serval killing a puff adder and it looks like a good sized one as well



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#59
(04-19-2019, 04:07 PM)Mondas Wrote: ^ Oh look, the Fe-overloaded troll is still at it! What a surprise ( FYI, that's sarcasm).


Here below,  a leopard gets a 2-for-1 deal!

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Obviously staged by locals, for headlines.
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#60
taipan Wrote:"I have seen dogs kill rattlesnakes by shaking them in their mouths. Coyotes will kill them the same as a dog."
Rattlesnakes By Laurence Monroe Klauber

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Timber Rattlesnakes in Vermont and New York By Jon Furman
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