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Game of Thrones (final series)
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(05-14-2019, 02:17 AM)K9Boy Wrote: This show is so ground breakingly good, no matter which way it would have ended their would have been complainers. Lets just sit back and enjoy it as there is only one more episode!

Agreed. It's not that they aren't liking the episodes or that the episodes are not good, it's that they are not getting the ending they wanted. We all secretly or openly had plans about how this would and should end, that were formulated watching the previous 7 seasons, and for most (including me) its not happening. 

This from season 2, a vision, Dany's visit to the Iron Throne covered in what we now know is ash.

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A clue from the past!
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#32
That's the thing, "formulated from the past 7 seasons." There was no build up to just about anything that happened in this episode. We've been following these characters for years, and in general the point of a story is that a character will grow or change or learn an important lesson of some kind along the way. Fans expected certain things because the groundwork for certain things has been laid so carefully for the past seven seasons and would have been satisfying resolutions of years-long character progressions. Dany snapping on a whim and deciding to massacre innocents and Jaimie embracing and protecting Cersei were not satisfying resolutions to their characters.

Like, what morals are we supposed to take from this then?
Dany: "No matter what, you will turn out like your parents, even if you never knew them and fought hard to distance yourself from that. You can't escape becoming your father."
Jaimie: "You should go back to this toxic relationship you were in for years because you know nothing else and there's no point trying to be a good person and break away from it because you are just inherently bad."
Sandor: "Instead of letting go of all that anger and hate that tormented you and made you an awful person, you should instead go and confront the source of your childhood trauma head on, even though it will certainly kill you, and have a big punching and screaming match with it."
Bran: "Idk just turn into crows to avoid all your problems or something"

Dany was always going to burn the Red Keep, it was something that was set up (^as you point out) and built towards since the very beginning, but not her turning evil in literal seconds and deciding to slaughter men, women, and children. I have no problem with that actual act itself (as funny as that sounds lol, it is Game of Thrones after all), but how she got there and made that decision made no sense.
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#33
I appreciate your posts in this thread SWC!

Hopefully the motivation for her turn to the behaviour of her mad father will be revealed. Missandei's last words - "Dracarys" - (burn it all) may have been taken too literally!
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(05-14-2019, 02:08 PM)ScottishWildcat Wrote: That's the thing, "formulated from the past 7 seasons." There was no build up to just about anything that happened in this episode. We've been following these characters for years, and in general the point of a story is that a character will grow or change or learn an important lesson of some kind along the way. Fans expected certain things because the groundwork for certain things has been laid so carefully for the past seven seasons and would have been satisfying resolutions of years-long character progressions. Dany snapping on a whim and deciding to massacre innocents and Jaimie embracing and protecting Cersei were not satisfying resolutions to their characters.

Like, what morals are we supposed to take from this then?
Dany: "No matter what, you will turn out like your parents, even if you never knew them and fought hard to distance yourself from that. You can't escape becoming your father."
Jaimie: "You should go back to this toxic relationship you were in for years because you know nothing else and there's no point trying to be a good person and break away from it because you are just inherently bad."
Sandor: "Instead of letting go of all that anger and hate that tormented you and made you an awful person, you should instead go and confront the source of your childhood trauma head on, even though it will certainly kill you, and have a big punching and screaming match with it."
Bran: "Idk just turn into crows to avoid all your problems or something"

Dany was always going to burn the Red Keep, it was something that was set up (^as you point out) and built towards since the very beginning, but not her turning evil in literal seconds and deciding to slaughter men, women, and children. I have no problem with that actual act itself (as funny as that sounds lol, it is Game of Thrones after all), but how she got there and made that decision made no sense.

SCW, you may find some satisfaction from the books in that case. 'The books are better than the show / film' isn't always true, but re: GoT it is. The first 4 seasons are a roughly reasonable adaptation of the first 3 books (but miss the point quite a few times) and then totally diverge afterwards.
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I’m currently reading Clash of Kings! Yeah the books are obviously better, but the thing withthose is that they’re never ever gonna get finished at this point
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#36
Yeah, I'm quite skeptical of that happening too unfortunately. I think GRRM will get Winds of Winter out in the next few years but there is little hope for A Dream of Spring.
Enjoy Clash of Kings though, it's a good read with the war in full swing. Pay close attention to Arya's chapters when she's serving under Roose at Harrenhal too. A Feast for Crows is the 4th and considered the slowest book in the series, you may want to look up the 'Ball of Beasts' reading guide that combines it with Dance of Dragons.
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#37
the scenes with Arya and the Hound were the stand out ones for me, always loved those 2 traveling together back in seasons 3 and 4.

and whatever anyone thinks of the Danyeres stuff, the hounds finishing chapter was great. ever since he nearly died after the fight with Brienne he has somewhat tried to find redemption for his life of murder and cruelty, and in the end even though he already knew his hatred for his brother (who was the reason he was ever cruel in the first place) had consumed him, and was leading him to certain death, he saved Arya from that same blood lusted and revengeful life.
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#38
Well less than 24 hours. I have not been disappointed by series 8, and hope this last episode shocks me as much as the Red Wedding and the Bells episode did!
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#39
So I have never seen a single episode but apparently the ending was a disaster? How come?
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(05-20-2019, 08:54 PM)Leopard Wrote: So I have never seen a single episode but apparently the ending was a disaster? How come?

A lot of people were happy with that episode/ending of the series. Some criticism of the earlier episodes in the final series.

I'm still coming to terms with it.

GoT was the best TV series I have ever watched. Sad it's over.
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(05-20-2019, 10:26 PM)Taipan Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 08:54 PM)Leopard Wrote: So I have never seen a single episode but apparently the ending was a disaster? How come?

A lot of people were happy with that episode/ending of the series. Some criticism of the earlier episodes in the final series.

I'm still coming to terms with it.

GoT was the best TV series I have ever watched. Sad it's over.

Breaking Bad is the best TV series ever made imo.
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