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Arctodus simus
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Pygmy Mammoth
16.67%
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Arctodus simus v Pygmy Mammoth
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Arctodus simus
Arctodus (Greek, "bear tooth") — known as the short-faced bear or bulldog bear — is an extinct genus of bear endemic to North America during the Pleistocene ~3.0 Ma.—11,000 years ago, existing for approximately three million years. Arctodus simus may have once been Earth's largest mammalian, terrestrial carnivore. It was the most common of early North American bears, being most abundant in California. It was native to prehistoric North America from about 800,000 years ago, and became extinct about 12,500 years ago. It has been found from as far north as Ikpikpuk River, Alaska to Lowndes County, Mississippi. It is one of the largest bears in the fossil record and was among the largest mammalian land predators of all time. The type specimen came from Potter Creek Cave in Shasta County, California. In a recent study, the mass of six A. simus specimens was estimated, one-third of them weighed about 900 kg (1 short ton), the largest being UVP 015 at 957 kg (2,110 lb), suggesting specimens that big were probably more common than previously thought.

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Pygmy Mammoth - Mammuthus exilis
The pygmy mammoth or Channel Islands mammoth (Mammuthus exilis) is an extinct species of dwarf elephant descended from the Columbian mammoth (M. columbi) of mainland North America. This species became extinct during the Quaternary extinction event in which many megafauna species became extinct due to changing conditions to which the species could not adapt. A case of island or insular dwarfism, from a recent analysis in 2010 it was determined that M. exilis was on average, 1.72 m (5.6 ft) tall at the shoulders and 760 kg (1,680 lb) in weight, in stark contrast to its 4.3 m (14 ft) tall, 9,070 kg (20,000 lb) ancestor. Another estimate gives a shoulder height of 2.02 m (6.6 ft) and a weight of 1,350 kg (2,980 lb), and the largest individual up to 2 tonnes.

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(01-12-2019, 02:33 AM)Old Tibetan Blue Bear Wrote: Giant short faced bear vs pygmy elephant

Did you mean Pygmy Mammoth? The Pygmy elephants look too small.
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#2
Yeah I meant pygmy mammoth. Thanks for the correction. The giant short faced bear is going to have a hard kill as the elephant not only has thick skin but can still breathe through its trunk.
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OldMan
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#3
The giant short faced bar has strong jaws but pound to pound has poorer grappling abilities than other bears and even big cats.
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OldMan
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#4
The bear would win imo, jaws + claws + forelimbs+ killing/hunting experience is better than curved tusks. 

Unless if this bear is literally a ursine version of a cheetah. If that's the case, then the mammoth would win.
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Even cheetahs do manage to bring down wildebeast and ostrich by running them to exhaustion.
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OldMan
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#6
Very close matchup, if A. simus could close the distance and get past the tusks it would win, but it's at a huge risk of getting gored. 1350 kg is like 45% bigger than the avg A. simis too.

If it were 760 kg tho it would likely get slaughtered. This bear stands a better chance than a tiger for sure tho
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