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Early Middle Pleistocene European Cave Lion v Wanhsien Tiger
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Early Middle Pleistocene European Cave Lion - Panthera leo fossilis
Panthera leo fossilis is a fossil cat of the genus Panthera, which was first excavated near Mauer in Germany, and lived during the Upper Pleistocene. Bone fragments of P. l. fossilis were also excavated near Pakefield in the United Kingdom, which are estimated at 680,000 years old. Bone fragments excavated near Isernia in Italy are estimated at between 600,000 and 620,000 years old. The first Asian record of a fossilislion was found in the Kuznetsk Basin in western Siberia and dates to the late Early Pleistocene. The fossilis lion is estimated to have evolved in Eurasia about 700,000 years ago. Bone fragments of P. l. fossilis indicate that it was larger than the modern lion and had a slightly wider skull and nasals, smaller orbits, less inflated bullae, less specialized lower teeth, reduced lower premolars and smaller incisors. P. l. fossilis was considered an early lion subspecies. Some authors considered it a subspecies of Panthera spelaea, namely Panthera spelaea fossilis. Results of mitochondrial genome sequences derived from two Beringian specimens indicate that it was so distinct from the modern lion to be considered a species, Panthera fossilis. This lion coexisted with early humans and prehistoric fauna. A mandible from the early hominid Homo heidelbergensis was excavated in 1907 at Mauer, Germany. Herbivores that coexisted with the lion included the hippopotamus, narrow-nosed rhinoceros, straight-tusked elephant, mammoth and fallow deer. Sympatric predators included bears, wolves, hyenas and sabre-toothed cats.

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Wanhsien Tiger - Panthera (tigris) acutidens
The Wanhsien tiger (Panthera tigris acutidens), is an extinct subspecies of tiger that lived in Asia from the late Pliocene until the middle Pleistocene. They were driven to extinction in the islands of Indonesia by another tiger subspecies, the Trinil tiger (P. t. trinilensis) and in Asia by yet another subspecies, the South China tiger (P. t. amoyensis). The Wanhsien tiger is the earliest known extinct tiger subspecies, and populated a huge majority of Asia. The tibia is 29.7 cm (11.7 in) long and 8.1 cm (3.2 in) in diameter. The humerus is 30.6 cm (12.0 in) long and slightly smaller in width, length and diameter than humeri of Siberian tiger.

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(03-15-2019, 12:01 AM)Uncia Wrote: Taipan.

Create please panthera leo fossilis vs panthera tigris acutidens

Another Lion v Tiger Thread!
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this is interesting thread, leo are second largest lion species after american lion, wahsien tiger is larger then bengal and similar to old amur tigers.
IMO opinion 50/50 .
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Fossilis is second largest lion ever after american lion. Even a bit larger than panthera leo spelaea.

Acutidens maybe has smaller humerus than siberian but has larger and heavier body than siberian. A bit smaller than ngandong tiger and second largest tiger ever.

Second largest tiger ever vs second largest lion ever. 50/50.
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How much do each weigh?
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How large is the tibia compared to the Siberian tiger? Because if it’s smaller along with the humerus in all listed dimensions, how can it be heavier than a Siberian tiger? An overall larger body or something?
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(03-15-2019, 11:06 PM)Uncia Wrote: Fossilis is second largest lion ever after american lion. Even a bit larger than panthera leo spelaea.

Acutidens maybe has smaller humerus than siberian but has larger and heavier body than siberian. A bit smaller than ngandong tiger and second largest tiger ever.

Second largest tiger ever vs second largest lion ever. 50/50.
Yap a lot muscular tiger after ngandong, size similar to amur old figures. Both diff advantage lion skul bit larger then african leo smaller then american leo.
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Largest lions ever;

1) Panthera Leo Atrox
2) Panthera Leo Fossilis
3) Panthera Leo Spelaea

Largest tigers ever;

1) Panthera Tigris Soloensis
2) Panthera Tigris Acutidens 
3) Panthera Tigris Altaica

(Natodomeri Lion is possibly as large as these lions but it is only different version of modern Panthera Leo. Like Barbary Lion..)
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(03-16-2019, 03:13 AM)Uncia Wrote: Largest tigers ever;

1) Panthera Tigris Soloensis
2) Panthera Tigris Acutidens 
3) Panthera Tigris Altaica

(Natodomeri Lion is possibly as large as these lions but it is only different version of modern Panthera Leo. Like Barbary Lion..)

P. t. altaica is no longer valid.
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(03-16-2019, 05:31 AM)Fair Whisper Wrote:
(03-16-2019, 03:13 AM)Uncia Wrote: Largest tigers ever;

1) Panthera Tigris Soloensis
2) Panthera Tigris Acutidens 
3) Panthera Tigris Altaica

(Natodomeri Lion is possibly as large as these lions but it is only different version of modern Panthera Leo. Like Barbary Lion..)

P. t. altaica is no longer valid.
I know. It is no longer Tigris tigris..

But i miss altaica.. Cool name...
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