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American Red Fox v Fisher
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American Red Fox - Vulpes vulpes fulvus
The American red fox (Vulpes vulpes fulvus), commonly known as the eastern American red fox, is a North American subspecies of the red fox (Vulpes vulpes). Historically, red foxes were classified as two species: Vulpes vulpes in Eurasia and Vulpes fulva in the Americas (Tesky, 1995). Since 1959 they have been considered to be a singular species of Vulpes vulpes, with Vulpes fulva one of the ten subspecies (Hall, 1981; Kamler & Ballard, 2002). Red foxes are the largest species of the genus Vulpes. However, relative to dimensions, red foxes are much lighter than similarly sized dogs of the Canis genus. Their limb bones, for example, weigh 30% less per unit area of bone than expected for similarly sized dogs. They display significant individual, sexual, age and geographical variation in size. On average, adults measure 35–50 cm (14–20 in) high at the shoulder and 45 to 90 cm (18 to 35 in) in body length with tails measuring 30 to 63 in (760 to 1,600 mm). In North America, adult red foxes typically weigh between 3.5 and 7.0 kg, but large specimens can weigh over 10 kg.

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Fisher - Pekania pennanti
The fisher (Pekania pennanti) is a small, carnivorous mammal native to North America. It is a member of the mustelid family (commonly referred to as the weasel family), and is in the monospecific genus Pekania. The fisher is closely related to, but larger than the American marten (Martes americana). The fisher is a forest-dwelling creature whose range covers much of the boreal forest in Canada to the northern United States. Names derived from aboriginal languages include pekan, pequam, wejack, and woolang. It is sometimes misleadingly referred to as a fisher cat, although it is not a cat. Males and females look similar. Adult males are 90 to 120 cm (35–47 in) long and weigh 3.5 to 6.0 kilograms (8–13 lb). Adult females are 75 to 95 cm (30–37 in) long and weigh 2.0 to 2.5 kg (4–6 lb). The fur of the fisher varies seasonally, being denser and glossier in the winter. During the summer, the color becomes more mottled, as the fur goes through a moulting cycle. The fisher prefers to hunt in full forest. Although an agile climber, it spends most of its time on the forest floor, where it prefers to forage around fallen trees. An omnivore, the fisher feeds on a wide variety of small animals and occasionally on fruits and mushrooms. It prefers the snowshoe hare and is one of the few animals able to prey successfully on porcupines. Despite its common name, the fisher rarely eats fish.

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#2
Can't remember where I got this from:

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#3
So they do have an unusual relationship. The fischer still wins in a fight to death because of its greater agility and weaponary.
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#4
full adult 14 kg male red fox is not basically in fishers target list however smaller female or sub-adults male can be taken down by him.
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Can an American Red Fox even get to 14Kg? I know this happens occasionally in the European variant of the species, but I'm hard pressed to find records of American Red Fox getting over 10Kgs, and that's well within a Fisher's abilities to tackle. This is probably a very close matchup, where I will take the Fisher at parity, but its close.
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(04-17-2019, 08:30 AM)Brogan Wrote: Can an American Red Fox even get to 14Kg?  I know this happens occasionally in the European variant of the species, but I'm hard pressed to find records of American Red Fox getting over 10Kgs, and that's well within a Fisher's abilities to tackle.  This is probably a very close matchup, where I will take the Fisher at parity, but its close.

Red fox, (Vulpes vulpes), also called common fox, species of fox (family ... Most adults weigh about 5–7 kg (10–15 pounds), but the largest individuals may approach 14 kg 

https://www.britannica.com/animal/red-fox-mammal

Mr Hepworth later decided to weigh the fox after realising it would probably be the largest he had ever shot. And the 69-year-old found it weighed a staggering 38lb 1oz and was 4ft 9in from its nose to the tip of its tail. Experts say it is the biggest to have been recorded in the UKUK.
Globally, the range of weights for Red foxes is generally given as 3kg to 14kg (31 lbs) although, as we shall see, this should be extended to 16kg (35 lbs).


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110098/Britains-biggest-fox-killed-Alan-Hepworth-Monster-measured-4ft-9in-weighed-38lbs.html
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Again, your description includes the European variant (since it's the same species), which can get well over 30lbs......that UK specimen is awesome, but it's in the UK....in North America, which is the variant used in this matchup, 10Kg is about the max.
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(04-17-2019, 08:54 AM)Brogan Wrote: Again, your description includes the European variant (since it's the same species), which can get well over 30lbs......that UK specimen is awesome, but it's in the UK....in North America, which is the variant used in this matchup, 10Kg is about the max.

Yeah agreed sorry i just noticed that is american red fox.
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